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Post by John Durant on Apr 21, 2007 20:39:45 GMT -5
Now that the federal tax deadline has come and gone, I'd like to pose this question:
Do you think the top 2% wage earners in the U.S. are sacrificing too much with the tax burden they currently have?
Here's my answer:
The richest folks in this country continue to complain about paying more than their fair share of taxes, and I can't say I really sympathize with them very much at all. The rich complain about giving up money, when our soldiers our giving up their lives.
The rich threaten to take their assets overseas because they feel that they're so unfairly treated here. I say let them go, and when their new country of choice seizes their assets, or their country's government falls to a coup, then maybe these greedy folks will realize that America wasn't so bad after all, even with the high taxes. They'll no longer be protected by the US military or by US laws. Let them leave!
When I see that military families are forced to apply for food stamps to feed their children, and our wounded get to recover in hell-holes like Walter Reed, I really can't bring myself to shed tears for those owning 500 million dollar yachts, and for those who drink 10 thousand dollar bottles of wine on a regular basis.
This country is in debt up to it's neck, no thanks to the current administration; and they continue to spend us into oblivion. Many of the rich voted for this administration, and now they want to pass the debts George W. created onto the working class by trying to institute a flat tax.
Our working class has been decimated by big business moving overseas, and also by the lowering of prevailing wages caused by the hiring of illegal workers. They can't afford to pay for gas to get to and from work, let alone higher taxes. Their wages have fallen while health care costs have skyrocketed. Many companies don't even offer their employees health care.
The lower and middle classes in this country are in a financial crisis while the rich enjoy the greatest amount of prosperity in American history. The poor are working harder than ever just to keep from being thrown out on the streets. My sympathies go to our military families, and to the working poor in this country.
I do believe that we should give tax relief to those who reinvest in this country, and also to those who own small businesses who employ many "legal" American workers. There may come a time when we can balance the budget and can afford more tax relief, but now is not the time. We're in the middle of a war with no end in sight, and our national debt is through the roof.
The rich need to be thankful that they actually have a bright future, while many in this country have no future at all!
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Post by John Durant on May 13, 2007 17:51:05 GMT -5
This is a continuation of the thread about the rich having to pay too many taxes. It has been said that the rich donate a lot, and that for the most part, they are good and compassionate people who provide many jobs for the working class. This is my rebuttal. Please feel free to voice your opinion here...I'd love to hear it! ___________________________________________________ We don't have a budget surplus; we have a multi-trillion dollar deficit in this country that's rising at the speed of light, which will ultimately be passed on to future generations. The very wealthy know that the deficit has to be paid, and that's why they're transferring their wealth overseas beyond the reach of the IRS. The wealthy of the world have always done this; it's nothing new. People don't seem to realize that the countries we're indebted to are gaining more and more influence in our government every day. We're losing our economic leverage in the world because our debt is out of control. Ridiculous tax breaks at a time of staggering debt doesn't make much sense, unless the folks getting the huge tax breaks contribute to OUR economy by providing American jobs. (to legal citizens) We have more billionaires now than we've ever had in the US. At the same time, middle class wages have risen a little over 1% in the past six years, while the cost of living has risen at a dramatically higher pace. We were just told at work that we have to pay more for our health insurance, and unfortunately the increase will gobble up most of the raise that we MIGHT get in July. I guarantee you that the very rich don't have to worry about health care or retirement. Although it may be true that some wealthy have reinvested in this country and provided jobs, (kudos to them) many of the wealthy have taken money earned in this country and given away the hard-earned "American Dream" to cheap labor markets all over the world. Even Republicans can understand that if the American middle class has no money to spend, then the rich retailers in this country will be out of business. With the influx of illegals driving down wages across the board, combined with the corporate giveaway of American jobs and technology, the working class and lower-end white collar workers won't have a future for themselves or their children. I'm more concerned about the folks who are working harder than ever to barely break even than I am about the very wealthy in this country. I admire those folks who've worked hard and made an honest fortune who also have provided jobs and opportunities to legal hard-working Americans. Without jobs, this country very well could slip back into the crisis of the "great depression" era, and no one but the very rich will come out ahead. The squeeze on the working class is deliberate, and although there are "good and compassionate" people in the highest income brackets, there are also very many greedy evil money-mongers who are entertained by the suffering of the working class. The wealthy donate a lot because they have a lot to donate. The poor give what they can, even though they can't afford it; so in my mind, they're giving more than the rich! The poor don't give for write-offs on their taxes, they just give cash or other help when they see others in trouble. Where I work there are always collections going for people going through hardships, and you'd be surprised how much is given by those who can't even afford the co-pays to take their children to the doctor. Even the bible says, "for those who are given much, much is required....". There are definitely wealthy people with big hearts who do great things for the community, but their good deeds have less and less impact because of the sheer number of people that have been driven to poverty by the corporate "greed generation". (success at all costs) I do believe in the principle of capitalism, but there has to be a balance in this country. By driving the working class into poverty, you'll create more of a financial burden on government. Almost 30% of working Americans aren't offered any kind of health insurance by their employers. These people can't get group health insurance rates, so they go without insurance and end up getting government-subsidized health care. Greedy companies are passing on these health care costs to taxpayers so that they can line their pockets with gold. Republican idealism says that everyone should take care of themselves, but companies won't pay their workers enough to cover these critical expenses. Do you think this makes any sense? On one point we do agree....this administration has grossly mismanaged funds, (and the war) and has done more damage to America than we even realize right now!
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Post by hockeyhound on Aug 24, 2007 17:47:28 GMT -5
The United States of America is in trouble. Many have said "History repeats itself", and that is so true. By 1850 the North had out paced the South in manufacturing and industrial production. The Southern economy was the leader in agriculture, and cotton was king. The South was exporting 71% of it's cotton overseas, and the rest went to Northern mills. The Northern banks began to manage much of America's wealth, and the country began to see prosperity. Europe was in trouble because Russia cut of it's grain supply. America exports were on the rise to meet the need. From 1848 to 1856 the number of banks in the America increased by 50 percent and their notes, loans, and deposits doubled. California gold continued to pump millions of dollars into the economy. Suddenly in 1857 all the growth and prosperity came to a halt. The panic of 1857 was a time of economic collapse which had both foreign and domestic roots. Interest rates in Europe doubled and even tripled. Through a series of events this caused a decline in the prices of some American stocks and bonds. A buildup of unsold inventories caused several American textile mills to shut down temporally. By the summer of 1857 the combination of speculative fever in some parts of the economy and ominous cutbacks in others created a climate of nervous apprehension. During the previous years there was a mad scramble for western lands and town and city sites, millions of dollars, made or borrowed, expended in fine houses and gaudy furniture... On August 24, 1857 an Ohio investment house suspended payments because their cashier had embezzled its funds (Enron ). Unfortunately, much of the financial community was connected by telegraph at that time and this news spread like wild fire. The peoples confidence was shaken, and depositors everywhere made runs on the banks. In September of that same year 2 million in California gold was lost when a ship carrying it sunk. Banks began to suspend coin payments. As a result factories shut down; business failures multiplied; railroads went bankrupt and the federal treasury ran a deficit for the first time in a decade. Men and women by the thousands lost their jobs and others went on short time or took wage cuts. California gold eventually came east by the fall of 1857 and began to turn things around. The depression fell lightly on the south during this time, which bolstered their aggressive confidence. The South's export economy seemed to insulate them from much of the domestic problems. James Hammond of South Carolina made a speech in the Senate on March 4, 1858 declaring "Cotton is King". He said,"When the abuse of credit had destroyed credit and annihilated confidence; when thousands of the strongest commercial houses in the world were coming down... when you came to a deadlock, and revolutions were threatened, what brought you up?... We poured in upon you one million six hundred thousand bales of cotton just at the moment to save you from destruction... We have sold it for $65,000,000, and saved you." Slavery demonstrated the superiority of Southern civilization, continued Hammond. "In all social systems there must be a class to do the menial duties, (illegal Mexicans ) to perform the drudgery of life... It constitutes the very mud sill of society... Such a class you must have, or you would not have that other class which leads progress, civilization, and refinement... Your whole hireling class of manual laborers and 'operatives,' as you call them, are essentially slaves. The difference between us is, that our slaves are hired for life and well compensated... yours are hired by the day, not cared for, and scantily compensated." Wow, something to think about. When congress voted to create the Federal Reserve, America stopped backing it's currency with gold reserves. The money that we pass around to day is virtually worthless. Our nation has abused credit for years, and our Federal reserves are empty. Our corporation's have riped off thousands of people. One wrong move and we have nothing to bale us out. Certainly not cotton. This is a compilation of excerpts taken from: Battle Cry Of Freedom By: James M. McPherson.
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Post by John Durant on Aug 26, 2007 22:22:58 GMT -5
Hockeyhound,
I guess there's a lot we can learn from history. It's too bad many of our leaders don't seem to learn from past mistakes. I see our country fragmenting across many lines, and I hope there's enough common thread left to keep us bound together!
John
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